Senate
4 July 1941

16th Parliament · 1st Session



The President (Senator the Hon. J. Cunningham) took the chair at 12.5 a.m., and read prayers.

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QUESTION

QUESTIONS ON NOTICE

Senator AYLETT:
TASMANIA

– Will the Leader of the Senate state whether questions which appear on the notice-paper and which are not answered before the Senate rises will, with their answers, be incorporated in Hansard and copies of Hansard be posted to the honorable senators concerned?

Senator McLEAY:
Vice-President of the Executive Council · SOUTH AUSTRALIA · UAP

– I do not think that such questions and answers can be incorporated in Hansard. I shall make arrangements for copies to be posted to the honorable senators concerned.

Senator AYLETT:

– Would it not be possible to incorporate the questions and answers in the first issue of Hansard that is published after the Parliament re-assembles?

Senator McLEAY:

– I am informed that that cannot be done.

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QUESTION

UNIFORM DRESS FOR FEMALE TYPISTS

Senator BROWN:
QUEENSLAND

– I ask the Minister representing the Minister for the Army whether female typists attached to the different sections of the Departments of the Army and Air are supplied with special dress, or whether special grants have been made to them for the purchase of a distinctive kind of dress ?

Senator FOLL:
Minister for the Interior · QUEENSLAND · UAP

– I know of no special uniform being issued to typists. Some of the girls in the Royal Australian Air Force girls’ organizations may be doing certain work associated with the activities of the Departments of the Army and Air. I know of no special uniform which has been provided for typists employed by these departments in the ordinary way. I shall inquire into the matter.

Senator Brown:

– I have been informed that in certain departments in Brisbane typists are wearing uniform dress, and that money has been supplied to them for the purchase of such clothing.

Senator FOLL:

– I shall obtain the information and advise the honorable senator.

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QUESTION

GOVERNMENT REVERSES

Senator AMOUR:
NEW SOUTH WALES

– In view of the happenings in the House of Representatives last night when the Government was defeated on at least three motions, has Cabinet decided when the Prime Minister will offer his resignation to the GovernorGeneral ?

Senator McLEAY:
UAP

– It is not the practice to state matters of policy in answer to questions.

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QUESTION

HERR HESS

Senator BROWN:

– Did the Minister for Information notice in the press two days ago the statement attributed to the Lord Provost of Edinburgh that Herr Hess went to England for the purpose of negotiating peace in the course of which the Lord Provost made certain charges? Will the Government make special representations to the British Government that it should ascertain the truth or otherwise of those statements? Will the Minister endeavour to obtain the fullest information in regard to this matter ?

Senator FOLL:
UAP

– No information has come to hand regarding the statements attributed to the Lord Provost of Edinburgh other than that which has already been published in the press. The honorable senator must realize that it would be quite impossible for this Government to send cablegrams to the British Government to ascertain the accuracy or otherwise of statements made by persons in Scotland or elsewhere. The Government has endeavoured to ascertain from the British Government whether there were any special reasons for the visit of Herr Hess to England, but no additional information has yet been received.

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QUESTION

PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN

Senator BROWN:

– In view of the statements made by Senator A. J. McLachlan and myself with regard to propaganda, will the Government consider the advisability of affording facilities for capable members of this Parliament to speak to the people over the national broadcasting stations and to give to them reliable information in regard to the way in which Germany is treating people in concentration camps, so that they may bring’ forcibly to the notice of the people the inhumanity of the German authorities, and the danger to us if Germany ever got control of this country ?

Senator FOLL:
UAP

– I assure the honorable senator that the Department of Information will gladly avail itself of the services of any member of either House of Parliament in its propaganda campaign. If the honorable senator and others would care at any time to avail themselves of the various channels through which we are able to make information available to the public, the Government would welcome their cooperation. A copy of the speeches to be broadcast would of course have to be submitted for the approval of the broadcasting authorities in exactly the same way as are all other speeches broadcast.

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QUESTION

AUSTRALIAN IMPERIAL FORCE

Enlistment of Married Men

Senator FOLL:
UAP

– Yesterday Senator Aylett asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

  1. What are the restrictions against married men joining the Australian Imperial Force? 2.Is ita fact that a married man with three children under sixteen years is not acceptable in the Australian Imperial Force?

The Minister for the Army has furnished the following replies: -

  1. The instructions are that married men with large families are not to be enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force. The question of determining the number of children which constitutes a “ large family “ is left to the discretion of the General Officer Commanding of the Command concerned.
  2. This is a matter for the General Officer Commanding of each Command to determine, having regard to all factors affecting the recruiting situation in his Command from time to time.

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QUESTION

BAUXITE

Senator BROWN:

asked the Minister for Supply and Development, upon notice -

  1. Has the purchase of bauxite been financed by the Commonwealth Government?
  2. If so, what company or organization sold the bauxite to the Government or its agents?
  3. Has any contract or undertaking been entered into for the importation of bauxite in excess of 25.000 tons?
  4. What use will this bauxite be put to?
  5. Is it reserved for the use of any particular company or organization in Australia?
  6. On whose advice did the Government enter into this contract?
  7. Is the Minister now aware of the existence of suitable bauxite in Australia? If so, will he take steps to see that no more bauxite is imported?
Senator McLEAY:
UAP

– The answers to the honorable senator’s questions are as follows : -

  1. Thebauxite was purchased by the Commonwealth.
  2. This material was obtained from the Netherlands. East Indies through the Australian Aluminium Company.
  3. No.
  4. It will be held as security stocks to be drawn upon when necessary for the production of aluminium, until such time as local deposits have been fully investigated and developed.
  5. No. The 25,000 tons are Commonwealth property.
  6. On the advice of our technical officers, which was accepted by the Advisory War Council on the 20th February, 1941.
  7. Detailed investigations are at present being made into the local resources of bauxite and the practicability of producing the requisite annual supplies of aluminium from local deposits.

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QUESTION

LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANIES

Senator FOLL:
UAP

– Yesterday, Senator Collings asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

Has the Minister any information to give to Parliament as a result of his promised investigation into charges that; big assurance companies are cancelling policies as soon as the policy-holders enlist in the fighting forces?

The Minister for the Army has furnished the following reply: -

Inquiries in relation to various forms of assurance policies held by men serving in the Australian Imperial Force and Australian Military Force are proceeding with a view to ascertaining whether any action is necessary to protect their interests. The inquiries made so far disclose that there is no ground for complaint in relation to life policies held by members of the forces taken out before the outbreak of war.

The honorable senator may be assured that all aspects of this question will be covered by the investigations now being made, and that the interests of members of the forces will be protected.

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QUESTION

PAY OF DOMINION FIGHTING SERVICES

Senator FOLL:
UAP

– Yesterday, Senator Lamp asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Army, upon notice -

What are the rates of pay and allowances provided for the fighting services of New Zealand.. South Africa and Canada?

The information is being obtained, and a reply will be furnished to the honorable senator as early as possible. * Sitting suspended from 12.18 to 1 a.m.*

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LEAVE OF ABSENCE TO ALL SENATORS

Motion (by Senator McLeay) - by leave - agreed to -

That leave of absence be granted to every member of the Senate from the determination of the sitting this day to the day on which the Senate next meets.

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SPECIAL ADJOURNMENT

Motion (by SenatorMcLeay) agreed to -

That the Senate, at its rising, adjourn till a date and hour to be fixed by the President, which time of meeting shall be notified to each senator by telegram or letter,

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ADJOURNMENT

Government Business: Next Meeting of Senate

Motion (by Senator McLeay) proposed -

That the Senate do now adjourn.

Senator AMOUR:
New South Wales

– The Opposition has been prepared to assist to pass legislation which the Government believed was important and somewhat urgent, but after waiting some hours for the Supplementary Estimates we have met now only to adjourn. The Government appears to have become somewhat panicky. Does not the Government know its own business? A panic-stricken government should not remain in office, but should resign.

Senator E B Johnston:

– The Government has experienced some difficulty in the other chamber.

Senator AMOUR:

– That may be, but I am confident that there would have been no holding up of its legislation. It would appear now that, because of the Government’s uncertainty regarding its majority in the other chamber, the passing of the Supplementary Estimates is not so important as it was said to be a few hours ago. The Government should make way for another government which will conduct the business of the country fearlessly. The Labour party has cooperated with the Government in passing legislation associated with the nation’s war effort. Although the Treasurer (Mr. Fadden) did not introduce the Supplementary Estimates, he made a long controversial statement which could have led to a debate extending over two days, but he was not prepared to allow the House to discuss his propaganda statement. I trust that the business of the Government will be carried out in a more orderly way in the future.

Senator E B JOHNSTON:
Western Australia

– I suggest, Mr. President, that when you call the Senate together, arrangements be made for it to meet on a Wednesday, if possible. Under the present railway time-table, honorable senators from Western Australia can be in their places here four days after leaving Perth if the Senate meets on a Wednesday; but should it meet on a Tuesday, as has happened on occasions in the past, six days must elapse from the time of leaving Perth until the Senate meets. Western Australian senators living in country districts may have to spend as long as eight .days between the time of leaving home and the meeting of the Senate. When the Senate adjourns on a Friday, senators wishing to travel to Western Australia have to spend one and a half days in Melbourne, or at some other point on the journey, making the total travelling time five days to Perth, or seven days in your own case, Mr. President. When the Parliament met for only one or two periods a year, Western Australian members did not mind spending a little extra time in the capital cities, but now that it meets at four or five different periods during the year, the time occupied in travelling is more than can be spared. I hope, therefore, that arrangements will be made for the Senate to be called together on a Wednesday.

Senator McLEAY:
Minister for Supply and Development · South Australia · UAP

in reply - The matters raised by honorable senators will be taken into consideration. I appreciate the difficulties experienced by honorable senators from Western Australia, and shall bear in mind the representations of Senator Johnston.

I take this opportunity to inform Senator Johnston that I did not have an opportunity earlier to reply to the point raised by him last night in connexion with an extra telephone wire between Perth and Port Augusta. I read the report in Hansard proofs this morning. I shall bring his representations to the notice of the Postmaster-General.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

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PAPER

The following paper was presented : -

Lands Acquisition Act - Land acquired at

Elizabeth Bay, New South Wales - For

Defence purposes.

Senate adjourned at 1.9 a.m. till a date and hour to be fixed by the President., and to bc notified by him to each senator by telegram or letter.

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COMMITTEES

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JOINT STANDING

House. - The President (Chairman), Senator Amour, Senator Arthur, Senator Aylett, Senator Brand, Senator Cooper, Senator Uppill, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Badman, Mr. Barnard, Mr. Francis, Mr. Guy, Mr. Mulcahy, and Mr. Watkins

Library. - **Mr. Speaker (Chairman), the President, Senator Cameron, Senator Collett, Senator Collings, Senator Fraser, Senator James McLachlan, Mr. Brennan, Mr. Coles, Mr. Hutchinson, Mr. Paterson, Mr. Riordan, and Mr.Rosevear.** Printing. - **Mr. Conelau (Chairman), Senator Aylett, Senator Courtice, Senator Cunningham, Senator Gibson, Senator Johnston, Senator Allan MacDonald, Mr. Beck, Mr. Falstein, Mr. McCall, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Rankin, and Mr. Ryan.** {:#subdebate-14-1} #### Public Works. - Senator Brand (Chairman), Senator Cooper, Senator Lamp, Mr. Badman, Mr. James, Mr. Jolly, Mr. Martens, Mr. Sheehan, and Mr. Stacey {: .page-start } page 927 {:#debate-15} ### JOINT {:#subdebate-15-0} #### Broadcasting. - Senator Gibson (Chairman), Senator Amour, Mr. Calwell, Sir Charles Marr, Dr. Price, and Mr. Riordan {:#subdebate-15-1} #### Profits. - Senator Spicer (Chairman), Senator Armstrong, Mr. Clark, Mr. Marwick, Dr. Price, and Mr. Watkins Rural Industries. - **Mr. Francis (Chairman), Senator Aylett, Senator Herbert Hays, Senator Johnston, Senator Uppill, Mr. Frost, Mr. McLeod, Mr. Pollard, Mr. Scully, and Mr. Wilson.** {:#subdebate-15-2} #### Social Security. - Mr. Perkins (Chairman), Senator Cooper, Senator Keane, Mr. Barnard, Mr. Blackburn, and Mr. Ryan War Expenditure. - **Senator A.** J. McLachlan **(Chairman), Senator Ashley, Senator Clothier, Mr. Badman, Mr. Beck, Mr. Conelan, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Jolly, Mr. Lawson, Mr. McCall, Mr. Mulcahy, and Mr. Paterson.** {: .page-start } page 927 {:#debate-16} ### SENATE {:#subdebate-16-0} #### Disputed Returns and Qualifications. - Senator Armstrong, Senator Collings, Senator Courtice, Senator Crawford, Senator Gibson, and Senator Uppill Regulations and Ordinances. - **Senator Spicer (Chairman), Senator Cameron, Senator Clothier, Senator Cooper, Senator Courtice, Senator Herbert Hays, and Senator Allan MacDonald.** Standing Orders. - The **President (Chairman), the Chairman of Committees, Senator Crawford, Senator Darcey, Senator Herbert Hays, Senator Johnston. Senator Keane, Senator Lamp, and Senator A. J. McLachlan.** {: .page-start } page 927 {:#debate-17} ### HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Standing Orders. - **Mr. Speaker (Chairman), the Prime Minister, the Chairman of Committees, the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Beasley, Sir George Bell, Mr. Blackburn, Mr. Makin, and Sir Earle Page.**

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